It's all well and good that you're reading it for the first time, but I'm sure you can see how trying to continue a year old conversation (or two year old if we're counting your posts in other threads) isn't especially helpful. People have long since disengaged and stopped thinking about the conversation (if they even still remember it) and more importantly, in terms of a MMO a lot can change in a year. To my knowledge, since November last year there have been two significant buffs to enmity generation on tanks (Flash primarily) and more importantly, there is obviously the expansion pack so now we're usually discussing things at level 60, rather than level 50 which is a significant difference. It would have been more helpful to start a new thread on the topic for a fresh and current discussion and reference back to this topic if you felt there was something especially relevant. Regarding your actual points on marking/tanking - marking can be very low hassle if you make it into a macro. For example, have shield lob be your marking macro so that the first enemy you smack with shield lob will get a big "1" over its head. You've now marked without doing any additional effort - just shield lob the next enemy if needed once it is dead/about to die. You can also macro marking into other moves, such as fast blade/savage blade and always use that move on the mob, or you could just have macros dedicated to marking if you've space on your hotbars...whatever works for you really. Personally I usually don't bother with marking when I'm tanking unless there is something that really needs to die, or I'm doing something with a specific kill order, like Thornmarch HM/EX, as to be honest, unless they are full i210 I can probably keep hate from them relatively easily, regardless of how they are spamming their abilities. I'm also usually the one pulling way too much and nearly wiping us, rather than taking a slow and conservative approach, so I never get any hassle on that front either. To be honest, if you are having serious issues with losing hate from DPS attacking mobs randomly (mobs that you're fighting, not additional mobs ofc) or you're regularly finding DPS feel you're going too slow then you may wish to evaluate what you are doing as a tank. While I'm aware that DF can be somewhat toxic and contains plenty of bad players, it also contains a large number of decent/average and friendly players. If you're consistently finding you're having issues in DF and people take issue with how you're tanking it may be that you are the issue, not them.