I've seen all kinds of posts over on Lodestone addressing this and I think many people are overlooking a major issue. They keep harping on the fact that we lose the healing buff from Wrath and it should be placed permanently on Defiance. IMO thats wrong, at least in the sense of a general healing buff. Here are my thoughts. The biggest issue we have is with our self healing: 25%(35%?) DMG reduction in Defiance=25%(35%?) less healing by OUR abilities, and using our self healing runs into the problem of wasted overhealing by SCH/WHM . Yes Inner Beast ignores the damage penalty, but none of our other Healing abilites do. IMO the best way to counter both would be: 1. Add in a lvl 50 Trait Improved Defiance - When defiance is active increase all healing by MRD/WAR abilities by 25%(35%) and any Overhealing received places a Damage reduction shield on the Warrior equal to the amount overhealed (maybe cap it at 50% of total Health) The other minor issue player have made an issue of is our threat when OT during Single boss fights (Yes, like the Primals). I haven't done primals so I don't know if this really is that much of an issue, if so the easiest way would be to give us a CD that say transfers 50% of our threat generated within Xs to the target, or something like that. Again these are my thoughts on the matter. I post over here as I've seen the community here is a little more levelheaded and mature than over there. Let me know your thoughts on the matter. P.S. Anyone wish we could cross class to LNC instead of PUG?