Getting into SB gathering/crafting?

Discussion in 'Crafters & Gatherers' started by Elivercury, Jun 16, 2017.

  1. Elivercury

    Elivercury Crystal Brave

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    Heya,

    So I've returned to the game after not playing for like 18 months and given I am currently spending a lot of time looking after my new puppy, I'm planning to focus mainly on my DoL/DoH classes. The issue is that even my classes that are 60 (several are still mid-50's) have at best unmelded i150 serpentskin gear and at worst have a smattering of random levelling gear. I asked a FC mate to check out vendor gear available in SB and they said that while there is ilvl 180ish gear available, it's for lvl 61-62 toons, not level 60.

    Presumably this will not be enough to do much when it comes to SB, at least with crafting if not gathering. So my question is what sort of gear do you think I'll realistically need and what is my best bet for getting it?

    Am I best just limping to 61/62 with GC hand ins etc.? Is Ironworks my only bet despite them being hella expensive? Will serpentskin gear about do it? Is there another option I've not considered?

    Thanks in advance, I hope everyone is enjoying SB!
     

  2. Yeezy

    Yeezy Adventurer

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    I stopped playing for a year so I was hoping to skip straight to SB as well but its not that simple.

    They lowered the requirements for scrip gear a lot. The counterfoils are really easy now, its not a grind at all.

    You could also limp through the first couple of levels by doing the HQ grand company turn-in every day. I don't know what the leves are like, didn't get that far yet.
     

  3. Joe_Schmoe

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    From my own experience at just hitting level 60 crafting & gathering a few days ago I found it best to go the scrip route (I think I have botany at 61, but that's it), at least for gathering. For crafting I'm guessing at least getting enough (red) crafting scrip to buy you some WVR and LTW i180 equipment, then unlock the master III and possibly the master IV items, and then work towards crafting your own i170 gear for all the other classes (maybe still main and off-hands for all the other classes though).

    I tired actually crafting level 61 stuff myself but,. . . . . difficulty of 600-700? While wearing level 56-58 equipment? Yyyeah, not gonna happen. Not sure how much they cost to buy from vendors, but market board prices are, unsurprisingly, prohibitively high. So that is why I suggested the scrip route.

    P.S. Hasty post. On my lunch break, gotta go.:uguysrmean:
     

  4. Caimie Tsukino

    Caimie Tsukino Realm Scribe

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    I grind level 58 items to reach lv1 61. It is very doable.
    Adamantite Nugget, Birch Lumber, Aurum Regis Nugget etc.
    I used a modified version of my "1-Button Macro for Adamantite Nugget or Equivalents" to mass-produce all these things:

    Macro Name: 1-Butt AdvNug 468CP

    /ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand" <wait.2>
    /ac "Standard Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Advanced Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
    /ac "Advanced Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Master's Mend" <wait.3>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand" <wait.2>
    /ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
    /ac "Advanced Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.4>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.4>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II"

    Obviously, you won't have my stats, so you could use my old "2-Parts Macro for Adamantite Nugget", which I used during my grind to lvl 60 in HW:

    Macro Name: Nugget 412cp Part 1

    /echo adamantite nugget part1 begins
    /ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
    /ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Waste Not" <wait.2>
    /ac "Precise Touch"
    /ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Precise Touch"
    /ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Precise Touch"
    /ac "Basic Touch" <wait.4>
    /ac "Precise Touch"
    /ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
    /echo adamantite nugget part1 ends


    Macro Name: Nugget 412cp Part 2

    /echo adamantite nugget part2 (412CP) begins
    /ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Precise Touch"
    /ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
    /ac "Precise Touch"
    /ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.3>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.4>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.4>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II"
    /echo adamantite nugget part2 ends
     

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  5. Lliana Hylrin

    Lliana Hylrin New Member

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    Hi Caimie,

    I have a question about your one button macro.
    Because i like to optimize things, can you use Steady Hand II + Byregot's Brow instead of Steady Hand + Byregot's Blessing?
    If i'm not wrong you reach the same amount of quality with 3 less CP cost. (only doable since SB, with Byregot's Brow loosing the good/excellent requirement).
     

  6. Elivercury

    Elivercury Crystal Brave

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    By my count you'd end up with 5 stacks which is the break even point for Brow/Blessing, so looks correct to me. I'd note though that I believe you need to be a specialist to use Brow with 100% success chance?
     

  7. Lliana Hylrin

    Lliana Hylrin New Member

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    Byregot's Brow still has 70% success rate for non specialist, that's why i replace the last Steady Hand by a Steady Hand II.
     

  8. Caimie Tsukino

    Caimie Tsukino Realm Scribe

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    Yes, you can indeed use SH II + the new Brow to save 3 CP (Both Blessing and Brow will end up with 200 potency). In fact, you can use Manipulation to further save another 4 CP. The 1-button macro I listed above was originally as follow:

    Macro Name: 1-Butt Nugget 407CP

    /ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Touch" <wait.4>
    /ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
    /ac "Standard Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand" <wait.2>
    /ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
    /ac "Advanced Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.4>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.4>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis II"

    This macro was what I used for end-game Heavensward nugget-crafting (however, it's NOT powerful enough for Stormblood level 61+ nuggets. Hence, the 468 CP version I listed in my previous post).

    As you can see, this macro used Manipulation instead of Master's Mend to save 4 CP. Originally, I favored this very much because of its super low CP requirement. I don't even need to eat food at all. However, later, I found it to be annoying to be constantly monitoring the cross class skills (as you know, Manipulation needs to be removed in order to have enough slots for Rath's Rotation for HW 2 star - 4 star). It happened a few times to me which I forgot to switch and botched a few nuggets in the past. Thus, I substituted Manip with Master's Mend. It cost 4 more CP (total became 411 CP), but it saves me the trouble of managing cross class skills.

    My point is, after substituting the SH + Blessing with SH II + Brow to save 3 CP, if you would like to further cut down the CP cost by 4 CP, you can use Manip. This will bring the total CP requirement from 468 CP to 461 CP. But, it adds the trouble of cross class skills management, and you still need to use Baked Onion Soup anyway... can't get away with Stone Soup. So, personally, I think my 468 CP version or your 465 CP version are both more practical/convenient than the 461 CP version with Manipulation.
     

  9. Elivercury

    Elivercury Crystal Brave

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    So I've decided on what I'm going to do and am putting it here for people's thoughts and for the sake of anyone else who finds themselves in the same position.

    While red scrip gear is pretty easy to get now for either DoH/DoL, the fact it's class specific is a real downer for me - I'm not about to farm scrips for 11 different sets of gear at ~2500 scrips each as that is around 27.5k scrips. That being said, the accessories seem dirt cheap and can be equipped by all DoH/DoL respectively making them seriously good value. It looks like around 270 per accessory to get i200, with rings only costing 180 scrips.

    I was also considering tools until I did the maths:

    Crafting:
    1440 Scrips for Accessories (4x 270 + 2x 180).
    18000 scrips for MH/OH tools for each class. (12*45 for basic, then 13*45 for augmented. two per class, 8 classes)

    Gathering:
    1440 scrips for Accessories again
    6075 scrips for MH/OH tools (only MH for fisher so 5 total. 12*45 for basic, 15*45 for augmented.)

    That is a LOT of scrips. Accessories are very doable, but even just getting the MH/OH tools at basic level (nevermind augmented) is a serious investment in scrips. I will probably get the DoL ones - at least to basic level, but realistically I imagine I will probably get one pair of DoH tools for BSM only and wait until my level 62/63 tools which I will mostly be able to make as BSM. The level 63 OH at HQ quality is the same stats as the i200 augmented OH, but can have materia melded. The 62 MH will be slightly worse, but materia can close some of the gap.

    As for main body gear, there is a full set of white gear at level 61 which if made HQ is on part with the i180 scrip gear (so unaugmented), however is still a fair whack behind the ironworks gear.

    If I had cash to burn (which I do not) buying a set of HQ ironworks would be the best way forward, but it's not an option for me. So my plan is to limp to 61 relying heavily on older recipes and daily hand-ins, to get my body gear, then see how well I am able to cope with a gimped tool before seeing if I need to limp to 62 for an updated MH as well.
     

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  10. Caimie Tsukino

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    You may also check out the carbonweave set from MB. With ironworks and SB gear now available, you might pick up something cheap. It is certainly not as good as ironworks but it is better than white gear.
     

  11. Elivercury

    Elivercury Crystal Brave

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    Not a bad suggestion Caimie, but actually the 61 white gear is better than the carbonweave gear at the same quality level. It does ofc have the advantage of being available at level 60 rather than 61 however. Will have a look, but I suspect it'll be more expensive and I'll opt for my limping strategy. Usually the leves during the first few levels are pretty decent so maybe I'll beg a friend to produce some HQ stuff for me to turn-in.

    Thanks for the advice!
     

  12. Caimie Tsukino

    Caimie Tsukino Realm Scribe

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    Yeah, you will definitely have to make the call, depending on how helpful and how much it is.

    Anyway, as a side note, so far I find the GC turn-in to be the best for EXP from lvl 60 to 62... Better than leves, better than other grinds. Starred items are just soooo darn good.
     

  13. Elivercury

    Elivercury Crystal Brave

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    Realised I made a rather large mistake in my post. It's 25 scrips to a token, not 45, so prices are roughly half what I said.

    800 scrips for a set of accessories
    3375 scrips for a set of DoL tools
    10000 scrips for a set of DoH tools.

    While less than my original claim, it's still significant and I'd say my original points still stand.

    Also while zero help to anybody else, I found 40 red tokens which I traded for 160 blue gathering tokens. So my gatherers are well on their way, with a few folklore tomes also.
     

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